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he is in his second year at the college of southern nevada. [applause] he is studying to become a doctor. [applause] he hopes to join the air force. [applause] he is working hard every single day to build a better life for himself and his family. all he wants is the opportunity to do his part to build a better america. [applause] so in the coming weeks, as the idea of reform becomes more real, and the debate becomes more heated, and there are folks who are trying to pull this thing apart, remember allen and all those who shared the same hopes and st. james barrett remember this is not just a debate about policy. it is about people. it is about men and women and young people who want nothing more than the chance to earn their way into the american story. throughout our history, that has only made our nation stronger. that is how we will make sure this century is the same as the last. an american century. a welcoming of everybody who aspires to do something more. and is willing to work hard to do it. and is willing to pledge that allegiance to o
he is in his second year at the college of southern nevada. [applause] he is studying to become a doctor. [applause] he hopes to join the air force. [applause] he is working hard every single day to build a better life for himself and his family. all he wants is the opportunity to do his part to build a better america. [applause] so in the coming weeks, as the idea of reform becomes more real, and the debate becomes more heated, and there are folks who are trying to pull this thing apart,...
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. >> john, you, as well, you know nevada better than anyone. that is your town and you write extensively on the demographics, the change. we have talked about reid and his victory there and certainly some would have said was beatible but not by sharon angle. with that said, you have got the president on the ground in nevada. why is that -- i guess a perfect place if you will for this launch to hear from him in about 40 minutes or so? >> well, tamron, even though we are not a border state, we are an emblem of what's happening in this country. the hispanic population is burgeoning for sometime. now about a quarter of the state. it was about 20% of the electorate and talk about the election results that john mccain was talking about yesterday. barack obama won the latino vote about 55 points here in 2012. about the same percentage that he won by in 2008. and look at where the president is going today to make the announcement. going to a high school which is about 62% hispanic population of kids. maybe the biggest problem in this state facing the e
. >> john, you, as well, you know nevada better than anyone. that is your town and you write extensively on the demographics, the change. we have talked about reid and his victory there and certainly some would have said was beatible but not by sharon angle. with that said, you have got the president on the ground in nevada. why is that -- i guess a perfect place if you will for this launch to hear from him in about 40 minutes or so? >> well, tamron, even though we are not a border...
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trigger to fire the missile used in that attack is actually thousands of miles away in virginia, say, or nevada rather than him or herself actually being at the battlefield. but the idea that the ethically relevant thing about a drone is how far away you the trigger puller are from the explosion or the damage that you cause with your weapon, that is a quantitative matter. that is not a qualitative matter. we have always been able to project force far away from the person who is exerting it. the ethical sensitivity here is really not about the particular type of weapon of war we are using. it is that we are killing people using that weapon of war in place that's aren't war zones. and that is the unnerving consequence of the whole yfd a war on terror or a war against a non-state actor that could be anywhere in the world and that therefore designates that war as taking place everywhere. the most frequent outside a war zone place where our government carries out these kinds of attacks is of course in pakistan. in 2010 we saw what the obama administration was going to be like on this score. there wa
trigger to fire the missile used in that attack is actually thousands of miles away in virginia, say, or nevada rather than him or herself actually being at the battlefield. but the idea that the ethically relevant thing about a drone is how far away you the trigger puller are from the explosion or the damage that you cause with your weapon, that is a quantitative matter. that is not a qualitative matter. we have always been able to project force far away from the person who is exerting it. the...
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the president spent $1.6 million of tax pay every money to fly to nevada and back. nine hours on air force 1 to deliver a 20-minute long speech that had been billed by the white house as a plan on illegal immigration. however, he offered no plan, no substantive proposal, nothing of substance at all to the assembled audience. the president chose to make unremarkable remarks one day after a group of eight senators unvailed their frame work for bipartisan immigration reform. it appears president obama could not reign in the ego and took up immigration reform in a speech that members of the congressional hispanic caucus asked him not to give. republican congressman balart saying of obama's now intention to step on the work of those senators, quote, i think that would poisen the water. democratic congressman also skeptical saying, "the last thing you want is to inject, even from a perception point of view, the partisanship or gamesmanship. with nothing of substance to offer, the president threatened to blow up the bipartisan process by offering a bill bearing his name. >
the president spent $1.6 million of tax pay every money to fly to nevada and back. nine hours on air force 1 to deliver a 20-minute long speech that had been billed by the white house as a plan on illegal immigration. however, he offered no plan, no substantive proposal, nothing of substance at all to the assembled audience. the president chose to make unremarkable remarks one day after a group of eight senators unvailed their frame work for bipartisan immigration reform. it appears president...
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we'll talk about this more with the president in nevada tomorrow. another breaking story we are following, this came down also about 20 minutes ago with the boy scouts of america and the ban on gay scouts and scout leaders. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me now and i understand the boy scouts released a statement? >> they have. what we have learned is that the boy scouts are actively considering changing their decades' old policy that prevents gay scouts or gay scout leaders if joining the organization. what we're told is that this is under active consideration, the board of boy scouts of america will consider this next week and could vote on it and change the policy as early as next week. in response to the story, the boy scouts issued a statement and here's the key of what they say is how the policy would work. the chartered organizations they say that oversee and deliver scouting would accept membership and leaders consistent with their organization's mission, principles or religious beliefs. and it goes on to say the statement d
we'll talk about this more with the president in nevada tomorrow. another breaking story we are following, this came down also about 20 minutes ago with the boy scouts of america and the ban on gay scouts and scout leaders. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me now and i understand the boy scouts released a statement? >> they have. what we have learned is that the boy scouts are actively considering changing their decades' old policy that prevents gay scouts or gay scout...
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a few months ago he was one of the first people in nevada to get approved. [applause] in that moment allen that said i felt accepted. so today he is in the second year of the college of nevada. he is studying to become a doctor. he hopes to join the air force. he is working hard every single day to build a better life for himself and his family. all he wants is the opportunity to do his part to build a better america. so in the coming weeks, as the idea of reform becomes more real and the debate becomes more heated and there are folks that are trying to pull this thing apart, remember alan and all those who share the same hopes and dreams. remember that this is not just a debate about policy. it is about people. and it is about men and women and young people who want nothing more than the chance to earn their way into the american story. throughout our history that has only made our nation strong guard, and how we will make sure this century is the same as the last, an american century welcoming of everybody who aspires to do something more. and is willing t
a few months ago he was one of the first people in nevada to get approved. [applause] in that moment allen that said i felt accepted. so today he is in the second year of the college of nevada. he is studying to become a doctor. he hopes to join the air force. he is working hard every single day to build a better life for himself and his family. all he wants is the opportunity to do his part to build a better america. so in the coming weeks, as the idea of reform becomes more real and the...
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. >> first of all the president is still going to nevada tomorrow and delivering a speech that we all expect will have a very aggressive and forward lean on the issue of immigration. giving these senator space to come forward to these proposal is if you are motivated by real solutions we all know we need to get a deal to the president's desk. and it was important to do that. >> jennifer: yeah i'm -- i'm glad to see that you can -- you know, set your ego aside and allow the senate to come forward with something that is by partisan, and if the president lobbed his own plan in that, who knows what would have happened. matt, are you worried that jan brewer and other border-state officials will end up vetoing, essentially these immigration measures by having to certedfy? >> yeah i think you have hit on exactly what was the biggest troubling point in this framework. this clause that says there must be contingent upon securing the borders is something we have heard for a long time. and in poll after poll latino voters have said what if we have to wait until the borders are secure they have s
. >> first of all the president is still going to nevada tomorrow and delivering a speech that we all expect will have a very aggressive and forward lean on the issue of immigration. giving these senator space to come forward to these proposal is if you are motivated by real solutions we all know we need to get a deal to the president's desk. and it was important to do that. >> jennifer: yeah i'm -- i'm glad to see that you can -- you know, set your ego aside and allow the senate to...
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brand, republicans are able to put an imprint that is appropriate for nevada or new mexico on the party. and you're finding success there. now, i don't think that the numbers that you talked about on those issues are permanent. republicans when we just finish the presidential election where we were doomed by comments like the 47%, we need to have a message that reaches out to every american, is about empowerment, is about climbing the socio-economic ladder, about revitalizing the american middle class that has been in decline. we have to talk about those things. we have to have plans that are grounded in reality to deal with the problems that american families are facing. conservatism is a governing policy that has served this country well over time. but it has been taken over by the loony fringe to a certain degree. to the extent americans are look agent it, they're not seeing a party that is offering very many solutions to problems over the last couple of years. hopefully after a second presidential election defeat, we'll begin to see the reformers in the party begin to put a new face
brand, republicans are able to put an imprint that is appropriate for nevada or new mexico on the party. and you're finding success there. now, i don't think that the numbers that you talked about on those issues are permanent. republicans when we just finish the presidential election where we were doomed by comments like the 47%, we need to have a message that reaches out to every american, is about empowerment, is about climbing the socio-economic ladder, about revitalizing the american...
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he was in attendance for the president's speech today in nevada. good evening. how are you sir? >> i'm doing fine, john. how are you? >> john: terrific. great to have you here. was president obama right? has the time come for immigration reform or are both sides posturing for their voters? >> oh, no, i think it has absolutely come. i think the results of november 6th speak up loud and clear. latinos, immigrants and frankly the american people know that we have to fix this immigration problem. if anything, i think the congress is way behind the voters. the time is now. we gotta get it done. >> john: i think you're right. the president did say his principles were close to the senate's plan and from what's been reported about the house plan that kind of seems comparable as well. sir, is the senate's plan that was announced yesterday sufficient? is there anything you would add to that or more importantly take away? >> well, you know, is there a lot of conversations that are going to have to be had on the senate's plan. obviously the whole question of border security. i tend to agree
he was in attendance for the president's speech today in nevada. good evening. how are you sir? >> i'm doing fine, john. how are you? >> john: terrific. great to have you here. was president obama right? has the time come for immigration reform or are both sides posturing for their voters? >> oh, no, i think it has absolutely come. i think the results of november 6th speak up loud and clear. latinos, immigrants and frankly the american people know that we have to fix this...
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president obama is en route to nevada at this hour. a state that has come to symbolize the power and importance of the growing latino vote. the president is expected to lay out his own vision for immigration reform and show his public support for the bipartisan senate plan that was announced only yesterday. >> joining me now for our daily fix chris cali sfwl sxwl a, managing editor of post politics.com, and susan page, washington bureau chief for usa today. chris, what we are told is contrary to some reports that there is not a great deal of distance between what the president is going to say tow today and what the senate announced, at least as far as it goes, if the senate were to collapse, the senate plan were to collapse, then he might come out with perhaps a more liberal plan, but he is pretty much in sync on the advice of the congressional hispanic caucus to stay in line with what they're doing on the hill? >> that's incredibly meaningful because what that means is that it's not two tracks that this is running on. it's one track.
president obama is en route to nevada at this hour. a state that has come to symbolize the power and importance of the growing latino vote. the president is expected to lay out his own vision for immigration reform and show his public support for the bipartisan senate plan that was announced only yesterday. >> joining me now for our daily fix chris cali sfwl sxwl a, managing editor of post politics.com, and susan page, washington bureau chief for usa today. chris, what we are told is...
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senator from nevada, for years witnessed firsthand the difficulties are broken that presents from immigrants and the families. it's important to me personally we finally resolve the issue. i will do everything in my power as the majority leader to get a bill across the finish line. >> we have an obligation and the need to address the reality of the situation we face. adress in a way fair to the people that are doing it right way. and in essence, the hundreds of people that come to our offices every year whose relatives from all around latin america and the world are waiting in line to legally come here. we have to be fair to them. >> bret: the day before they lay out the plan. four democrats and four republicans, laying out the framework for comprehensive immigration reform. they are essentially saying you to have verify the board. remove the visa overstays ander-verify to prevent undocumented workers and make sure that they receive no federal assistance like obamacare and healthcare. path to citizenship, once you get over those hurdles here are what people have to have. register and pass ba
senator from nevada, for years witnessed firsthand the difficulties are broken that presents from immigrants and the families. it's important to me personally we finally resolve the issue. i will do everything in my power as the majority leader to get a bill across the finish line. >> we have an obligation and the need to address the reality of the situation we face. adress in a way fair to the people that are doing it right way. and in essence, the hundreds of people that come to our...
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all of this a day before president obama is set to lay out his plan on immigration proposal in nevada. here to talk about it is gloria borger, and cornell belcher, and political contributor and republican consultant margaret hoover. gloria, let me start with you. what is so different this time around for the republicans? simply the reality of november's election? >> yeah, they are worried about their own survival as a political party. one way to survive as a party is to broaden your base and not remain hostage to a single part of it. and i think that has been the problem for the republican party when you talk about john mccain. when john mccain was challenged from the right in 2010, when he was running for re-election to the senate, he became much more conservative on immigration policy. now i think he's sort of unshackled and he's back to the position he was in in 2005 and 2007. i mean, you know, i spent a lot of time with him on that straight talk express when he was running for the presidency in 2007. and i remember him telling me that he was stunned at the vitriolic reaction withi
all of this a day before president obama is set to lay out his plan on immigration proposal in nevada. here to talk about it is gloria borger, and cornell belcher, and political contributor and republican consultant margaret hoover. gloria, let me start with you. what is so different this time around for the republicans? simply the reality of november's election? >> yeah, they are worried about their own survival as a political party. one way to survive as a party is to broaden your base...
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miguel almaguer, nbc news, along the california sierra nevada. >>> there's more to tell you about. coming up next, the class photo of american women who just made history, and the fix that had a lot of people saying something is wrong with this picture. >>> it's one of the rituals of every new congress. class photos. and outside the capitol yesterday, democratic women in the house were assembled for a photo of their own. and there it was. a snapshot of history. but just one problem. four of the women arrived late, and so a separate picture was taken of those four, then photo shopped into the original. you can see them in the back row. today democratic leader nancy pelosi defended the altered photo as an accurate historical record of the 61 women democrats, and said it was also accurate that it was freezing out there, and the women had to get back to work. >>> another photo caught our attention today, this one also a part of history. just who is the woman reclining with the young man beside her? it turns out this is a newly revealed photo of the late princess diana when she was 18 o
miguel almaguer, nbc news, along the california sierra nevada. >>> there's more to tell you about. coming up next, the class photo of american women who just made history, and the fix that had a lot of people saying something is wrong with this picture. >>> it's one of the rituals of every new congress. class photos. and outside the capitol yesterday, democratic women in the house were assembled for a photo of their own. and there it was. a snapshot of history. but just one...
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and mayor john hickman, from nevada. great debate with stephanopoulos, no spin, no bull. and cindy withholding our laname in connecticut. you men can't tell women they can't have abortion. the state has been allowing abortions for pretty much any reason in the third trimester, cindy. if like governor cuomo, you support that, you better hope, better hope there's no judgment day. my job is to protect the kids and i will continue to do it.
and mayor john hickman, from nevada. great debate with stephanopoulos, no spin, no bull. and cindy withholding our laname in connecticut. you men can't tell women they can't have abortion. the state has been allowing abortions for pretty much any reason in the third trimester, cindy. if like governor cuomo, you support that, you better hope, better hope there's no judgment day. my job is to protect the kids and i will continue to do it.
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miguel almaguer, nbc news, along the california sierra nevada. >>> there's more to tell you about. coming up next, the class photo of american women who just made history, and the fix that had a lot of people saying something is wrong with this picture. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a real quick meal, that's perfect for two! campbell's chunky beef with country vegetables, poured over rice! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. and it feels like your lifeate revolves around your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira adalimumab. humira has been proven to work for adults who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of pati
miguel almaguer, nbc news, along the california sierra nevada. >>> there's more to tell you about. coming up next, the class photo of american women who just made history, and the fix that had a lot of people saying something is wrong with this picture. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than...
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and mayor john hickman, from nevada. great debate with stephanopoulos, no spin, no bull. and cindy withholding our laname in connecticut. you men can't tell women they can't have abortion. the state has been allowing abortions for pretty much any reason in the third trimester, cindy. if like governor cuomo, you support that, you better hope, better hope there's no judgment day. my job is to protect the kids and i will continue to do it. marsha, from new jersey, late term abortion is murder, period-- unless catastrophic harm to the mother is inevitable. from florida, just finished killing kennedy, the most fascinating nonfiction book, i've read. and i'm going to send you, copies of the declaration of independence and the constituti constitution. at the inauguration, hilarious, and waters world, total waste of time. for you, not for waters, he's having a blast. and finally tonight the tip of the day, the movie of my book, killing lynn done, national geographical channel. produced by ridley scott and tom hanks is the
and mayor john hickman, from nevada. great debate with stephanopoulos, no spin, no bull. and cindy withholding our laname in connecticut. you men can't tell women they can't have abortion. the state has been allowing abortions for pretty much any reason in the third trimester, cindy. if like governor cuomo, you support that, you better hope, better hope there's no judgment day. my job is to protect the kids and i will continue to do it. marsha, from new jersey, late term abortion is murder,...
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. >> oh, the numbers, yes, i'm sure they do no mystery why the president is in nevada, certainly want to paint that state blue as well what is your sense of it, can -- will congress come together in the math has changed enor mousily on immigration politics. ly be able to get his reforms through congress? >> reporter: we are hearing more optimism from both sides of congress today on the sunday talk shows than perhaps people have heard in a while and perhaps one reason, miguel, could be taking a look at the poll numbers. when you have a cnn/orc poll that was taken just a week before the president took office for his second term, it asked people what should you can the policy for immigration on illegal immigrants? what was interesting, half, 53% of people said there should be a plan to allow people to become citizens of the u.s., 43% were actually favoring deportation and border security, but if you look at the numbers from 2011, they were almost opposite at that point. we have seen public opinion shift on this in just two years. it may be one reason that we are hearing this renewed poli
. >> oh, the numbers, yes, i'm sure they do no mystery why the president is in nevada, certainly want to paint that state blue as well what is your sense of it, can -- will congress come together in the math has changed enor mousily on immigration politics. ly be able to get his reforms through congress? >> reporter: we are hearing more optimism from both sides of congress today on the sunday talk shows than perhaps people have heard in a while and perhaps one reason, miguel, could...
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. >> you were with the president when he we want to nevada this week, spoke on immigration. there does seem to be despite all the obstacles a sense of possibility now that we have a bipartisan coalition in the senate. what is your percent peck having been with the president on air force one. >> i think that there's obviously this grand movement now and this collaboration on a bipartisan level, to that helps to set the environment, i think, but there's still a lot of work to do. the president admits that as we get closer to a resolution or an actual law, that it's going to be tougher. there will be a lot of sack feeses made there. we still need the public to be engaged, and that's why he went out directly to las vegas where the support was overwhelming for him, for many progressives who were thinking about immigration reform, and i think it was a good way of telling the latino community and all the other immigrant groups that right now are faced with problems and immigration because it's a broken system, that, hey, we're going to get this done. we're going to get it done if n
. >> you were with the president when he we want to nevada this week, spoke on immigration. there does seem to be despite all the obstacles a sense of possibility now that we have a bipartisan coalition in the senate. what is your percent peck having been with the president on air force one. >> i think that there's obviously this grand movement now and this collaboration on a bipartisan level, to that helps to set the environment, i think, but there's still a lot of work to do. the...
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whether president obama detracts from the plan by going out on the road going to nevada tuesday we'll ask him about that as well. >> interesting theory by just being associated with the plan it could drive some people away from the plan in congress. complicated dynamic. let's talk about this extraordinary interview, the joint under view, the first time it's happened with president obama and hillary clinton sitting down talking to "60 minutes." it airs tonight. i wonder is there talk in washington this isn't in some ways president obama picking favorites in the race to replace him in 2016 because joe biden is also talking about maybe running. >> reporter: that's right and, you know, joe biden isn't sitting right next to the president in that interview. i don't think president obama has ever done an interview sitting next to anybody but his wife. so you bet there's a lot of talk about that and we'll talk to our powerhouse roundtable about that. >> you heard hillary clinton say that this is a surprise, who would have thought four years ago they would be sitting together and being so clos
whether president obama detracts from the plan by going out on the road going to nevada tuesday we'll ask him about that as well. >> interesting theory by just being associated with the plan it could drive some people away from the plan in congress. complicated dynamic. let's talk about this extraordinary interview, the joint under view, the first time it's happened with president obama and hillary clinton sitting down talking to "60 minutes." it airs tonight. i wonder is there...
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president obama is flying to nevada to push the issue there. there was a flash of the old straight talking john mccain today when he was asked why republicans are suddenly ready to compromise so much on immigration. >> one, as i have stated before elections, elections, the republican party is losing the support of our hispanic citizens. and we realize that there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our hispanic citizens. but this is a preeminent issue with those citizens. >> today's developments left one right-wing republican observer completely dumbfounded. >> if the democrats think their position on immigration, let's use that for example, is the right one, and if the democrats' position is what is getting all that support from hispanic voters, what i don't understand is why would the democrats want to give up some of those voters to the republicans? can somebody help me out here. >> i don't know, rush, sounds like you're beyond help, but i'll give it a try. what you are seeing is not a compromise on immigration. you are
president obama is flying to nevada to push the issue there. there was a flash of the old straight talking john mccain today when he was asked why republicans are suddenly ready to compromise so much on immigration. >> one, as i have stated before elections, elections, the republican party is losing the support of our hispanic citizens. and we realize that there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our hispanic citizens. but this is a preeminent issue with those...
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washington state, nevada, arizona is about half of what california is. texas, obvious leave. florida is a longer way away. some of these guys have ties in some of these neighboring states, their businesses are here but they ship into california but it's very easy for them, but then again, you know, you've got grand kid, you've god kids. you've got to weigh what is going to work for you. but i'd say move to costa rica, they've looked at new zealand, singapore. these are not dumb people. when they are worth 5 to $10 million,. heather: they sound like they are serious about it. jon: i'm sure the hollywood types will stay and pay their fair share. coming up a look at how hillary clinton's testimony lines up with the official timeline. plus, new video of the terror attack in algeria and questions about possible links to al-qaida. heather: today's testimony by secretary of state hillary clinton shedding new light on the terror attack in benghazi. addressing the questions about what the administration knew immediately afterward, and how they reacted. >> if i wish to fault the admini
washington state, nevada, arizona is about half of what california is. texas, obvious leave. florida is a longer way away. some of these guys have ties in some of these neighboring states, their businesses are here but they ship into california but it's very easy for them, but then again, you know, you've got grand kid, you've god kids. you've got to weigh what is going to work for you. but i'd say move to costa rica, they've looked at new zealand, singapore. these are not dumb people. when...